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  • A couple of weeks ago, TeamViewer started giving me a popup stating that I am using the product commercially. I filled in the form and sent it in and received an email on 24 sept. stating:
    Dear TeamViewer User,

    Thank you for getting in touch with us. We are happy to inform you that your TeamViewer ID has been reset to “free”. After reviewing your request, we decided that your use case can be qualified as “personal”.

    I've since been trying daily to log in and I'm still getting the commercial use popup window with login restrictions and faster timeouts. Is there something additional that I need to do to get my TeamViewer back to what it was before?

    Thank you for any assistance you can provide.

  • Same thing here.  The "Commercial Use Suspected" form is BROKEN.  I wouldn't put it past the TeamViewer folks to have broken it intentionally.


  • @tjhall1000 wrote:

    honestly. while this issue has been happening.... i downloaded **Third Party Product** cuz i needed to watch my anime while not at home. cuz thats the only reason i use TV is to watch anime on my computer while im not home. 

    [removed per Community Guidelines - Sales/Solicitation policy]

    im sad i never knew about chromes version


    What, you mean someone actually got the **Third Party Product** to work????   It's been BROKEN for the years I've tried to get it to work.

    All this would be so much easier if I could get all the family members to switch to Linux.  All I need to do then is SSH into their systems.

     

  • i dont know what you mean by broken. it was just plug and play for me, installed on browser. installed on phone. logged in on both and BAM it was good to go. no issues. havent noticed a single thing wrong with it. its response time is amazing

    if something if broken about it. then its user error and you did something wrong lol

  • Considering I've tried it on multiple machines, multiple OS'es over a period of 2 or 3 years, and these being machines at different locations (different ISPs), I can only presume it's Google's standard brokenness that permeates their products from search on downwards.

    I'd just use some VNC configuration if I were able to set up forwarding on everybody's routers (and I'd have to have some self-updating DDNS as well, so I would know what IP they were hanging out at).  Time to start looking at those possibilities again.

  • Steve-in-FL
    Steve-in-FL Posts: 27 ✭✭

    @Bankfodder wrote:

    I just checked it again and I can confirm that I can teamviewer out to any machine using my PC but if I want to teamviewer into the PC then it is restricted.

    strangely though I just tried installing teamviewer on a Google Slate and using my own account I was able to teamviewer into my PC.

    There is definitely a directional issue here. It's very strange. And clearly it's not consistent because using my own account on the Google Slate, I can teamviewer into the PC. On the other two devices, I get a commercial warning and about five minutes of use.


    So, let me ask a question, because something you are saying is striking me. You say when you use "my own account" you can successfully TeamViewer into your PC. When you are not using your own account, what are you using? There may be a commercial connection of some sort to those other IDs. Or... perhaps doing a TeamViewer session between two different accounts is inspected some other way. Maybe a private TV account outbound is OK, but a non-private (for whatever reason) account inbound is not OK. Just throwing things out there for consideration. It would be an interesting test if you used your account on one of the machines that is failing going into your home PC. 

    All of my experience is using my one (and only) TeamViewer account for all the instances of TeamViewer that I have installed, both on my personal machines at home and on the machines of friends and family.

  • DanLester
    DanLester Posts: 31 ✭✭

    Well, so as of a month ago, I got the dreaded "commercial use detected" message, and my account was disabled. Ptoooee.

    As of two weeks ago, I downloaded their "Declaration of Private Use" form, in which I assured them that I was ONLY going to use my TeamViewer for private use, and sent it in. Didn't hear anything. Just today, two weeks later, I decided, on a lark, to try it. All capabilities are restored. So they accepted my "Declaration of Private Use" form, restored my service, and didn't tell me. Thanks, TeamViewer! So if you send in that form, don't expect an answer.

    In the meantime, I've set up alternative applications (which they won't let me quote here), so I consider TeamViewer now to be sort of a sidelight. Yawn.

  • DanLester
    DanLester Posts: 31 ✭✭

    Unfortunately, the moderators of this forum do not allow anyone to call out TeamViewer alternatives. Just Google "TeamViewer alternatives" and you'll come up with a lot that are free. (Gosh, I hope I'm allowed to say that!) Most are functionally equivalent to TV in screen sharing, though TV is somewhat more capable in file sharing, and has a more robust user interface.


  • @Steve-in-FL wrote:

    @Bankfodder wrote:

    I just checked it again and I can confirm that I can teamviewer out to any machine using my PC but if I want to teamviewer into the PC then it is restricted.

    strangely though I just tried installing teamviewer on a Google Slate and using my own account I was able to teamviewer into my PC.

    There is definitely a directional issue here. It's very strange. And clearly it's not consistent because using my own account on the Google Slate, I can teamviewer into the PC. On the other two devices, I get a commercial warning and about five minutes of use.


    So, let me ask a question, because something you are saying is striking me. You say when you use "my own account" you can successfully TeamViewer into your PC. When you are not using your own account, what are you using? There may be a commercial connection of some sort to those other IDs. Or... perhaps doing a TeamViewer session between two different accounts is inspected some other way. Maybe a private TV account outbound is OK, but a non-private (for whatever reason) account inbound is not OK. Just throwing things out there for consideration. It would be an interesting test if you used your account on one of the machines that is failing going into your home PC. 

    All of my experience is using my one (and only) TeamViewer account for all the instances of TeamViewer that I have installed, both on my personal machines at home and on the machines of friends and family.


    I only use one account. I use the same account for all my devices and that brings me to another puzzle. In the past, I have been blocked (each way) on some devices and not others. I've always thought that it was a bit strange that the teamviewer system which they have put in place to detect commercial use seems only to base its decision upon device serial numbers and not the user account.
    I find this very strange because it means that somebody who is using teamviewer commercially might actually escape being blocked by using on different devices.

     

    By the way, the couple of years ago I did open a second account to see if that was able to bypass the blocking but of course because the blocking appears to be based upon the device serial number, the device remained blocked. I have since cancelled that account.

    I don't really see any point in playing fast and loose with teamviewer. It's their software and there are entitled to run it as they wish. I'm very grateful to have some free access to it but I wish they would sort their systems out.

    They could give:
    better support
    better communication
    Better response times
    transparency
    generally, a better system which takes into account people's accounts as well as device numbers

  • @User333717 

    Calm down.  I know it is frustrating, but like or not, you have to follow the rules.  Don't turn this into a war on TV.  They are a private company offering professional services for free to personal users.  

  • Hallo,

    ich habe immer mal wieder Freunden/Familie/Verwandten mit TeamViewer bei Computerproblemen weitergeholfen, seit gestern sind all meine Verbindungen auf 5 minuten begrenzt mit dem hinweiß "verdacht auf kommerzielle nutzung" 
    wie kann ich das wieder da

  • DanLester
    DanLester Posts: 31 ✭✭

    I agree. TeamViewer is offering users value as a free service. That being said, the value is minimized if users have to jump through hoops to use it. Years ago, TeamViewer used to be the definitive free app for controlling remote machines. Not so anymore.


  • @DanLester wrote:

    Most are functionally equivalent to TV in screen sharing, though TV is somewhat more capable in file sharing, and has a more robust user interface.


    Sometimes that's all you need anyway.  I know for my purposes I just need to connect to a family member's machine to troubleshoot something (or to a machine in the other room I'm doing a test installation on).  I don't need to chat through the application, I don't need to conference in other people, and can in some cases use WinSCP to do file transfers to/from my home machine.  Biggest issue comes about from knowing the remote machine's address, and tunneling through without having to open more holes in a firewall/router.

  • Hello

    I have a problem with my Teamviewer account: I´m being kicked out of the system claiming to be using the program commercialy. That is not true, I´m using Teamviewer for personal use only, devices connected are:

    My laptop.
    My wife grandfather´s laptop.
    My grandfathers laptop.

    I am using Teamviewer to help our grandparents with their computer questions.

    Can you convert my account back to normal state as I am unable to provide any assistance to them while being kicked out?

  • fidmas
    fidmas Posts: 4

    I submitted the form requesting them to analyze my usage, to prove it wasn't being used commercially months ago. Never even a reply. They don't care. Use another product. I gave up.

  • I'm not using it for commercial use but I have a message requiring I pay to get the commercial version. How can I fix this. I only use it with family and friends. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling. Or how can I find out who I connected with that has a commercial version so I know. IMG_5846.JPG

  • I'm afraid that there's nothing you can do except to contact teamviewer using their special "commercial use suspected form" and to make your case. Customer support seems to be very patchy and the approach to suspected commercial use doesn't seem to follow any particular pattern or logic that people can understand.

    If you get unblocked then it's great.

    I've never seen a message quite like that one. It's normally more cautious and says that the commercial uses suspected and doesn't talk about your team your partner. This message is new to me

  • Steve-in-FL
    Steve-in-FL Posts: 27 ✭✭

    @rkotkas

    Go to the very first post in this thread to find all the info you need to get this resolved. Nothing can be resolved by asking here. (Note that some people have successfully gotten the problem fixed, others have not,)

    Here is a direct link to the form:

    https://www.teamviewer.com/en/support/commercial-use-suspected/

     

     

  • fidmas
    fidmas Posts: 4

    Thanks, but that's the form I used twice months ago.  No replys.  I'm getting friends and family to use **Third Party Product** even though it's more trouble to do remote restarts.

  • @DanLester 

    I agree, Dan, but I think what is going on right at this moment is a bump in the road, not a permanent problem.   It is going to take some time for TV to get all this sorted out, but I think their ultimate goal is to continue to offer this service for free for private use.  TV has tens of millions of private users and devising a system to monitor all of them for commercial use without getting a few false positives, is extremely difficult and will take a lot of refining to fine-tune.  

    I went through the same thing in 2017 with Youtube's ADpocalypse. Overnight virtually ALL content was deemed as "Not AD friendly".  It took months for it to get better and really is only now starting to smooth out. 

    The same thing happened when Google shut down Panoramio and deleted billions of Geolocated photos from Google Maps. It took years for them to get that mess straightened out. Speculations ran rampant about why they did it and whether or not they were lying about fixing it. I can give you a link to the 100-mile long thread I participated in on that. 

    I said it once, and I will say it again.

    "You can catch more flies with honey than with poison." 

  • IgorZ
    IgorZ Posts: 5

    Hello!

    Teamviewer-host v14 - not working software.
    TeamVIEWER team - test Teamviewer-host v14 with juussi raspberry pi3 !!! After a reboot, he cannot find an Internet connection, but there is a connection with the Internet for other programs!
    A terrible version of the product over the past seven years, return to v13 !!!!

    The time limit of 5 minutes is just a mockery !!! teamviewer takes 2 minutes to connect !!!

    Greed will not bring to good!

  • fidmas
    fidmas Posts: 4

    Then how about a simple automated response even? Maybe “We’re sorry for the inconvenience, and we’ll get back to you once we’ve determined you’re not a crook.” I never even got a conformation that the form was received. Nothing. Totally ignored. Not even “We won’t talk to you without money up front.”  Honey (one way) doesn’t last forever. There are other free products that are almost as good, and even better in some ways. One with initials that rhyme with “Are You”.

  • fidmas
    fidmas Posts: 4

    I would pay it, but I suspect my 5 to 10 friends and family, who need the help, wouldn't wouldn't spring for anything.

  • I’m experiencing the same problem. I’ve used TV for years, using Same computer, iPad, & iPhone to assist my brother, obviously non- commercial use. I first received the commercial use message last year, filled out the form, & my acct was reset. Now, I’m getting the same warning, so I again filled out the form (2weeks ago), even listing my brothers 3 pc’s that I assist him with. Still have no response from TV; sent email last week, but still nothing. Not sure what their issue is, so I deleted the app from iPhone & iPad - still no joy. I wondered if a vpn could cause this, but I never use von with TV. I’m Totally in dark as to what I should do, especially frustrating as my brother keeps asking me for help, & I can only log onto his pc for about 1 minute. Anyone know why TV won’t answer my form submitted 2 weeks ago (up to 7 days was supposed to be the wait period). Very frustrating. Wish I could upgrade, but I could never afford the commercial rate, just to help my brothers family.
  • Yes, it is extremely frustrating.

    One really bizarre thing is that they sell licenses to use the software at a commercial rate which is really out of reach of any ordinary individuals.

    I don't make any money out of it but I would be happy to pay a small annual subscription – but it seems that that is not possible.

    The leap from £0.0 for private non-commercial use to a basic commercial licence is enormous.
    I suppose they must have their reasons but it all seems a bit crazy to me – and many other people

  • Please a link to where exactly is your lasy post?

  • All of sudden I began getting "Commercial Use Detected" message while I was using Team Viewer. Since I haven't been using TeamViewer all that much over the past couple of months, I have a theory.

    Although I was using my personal laptop, I'm guessing that TeamViewer detected my usage of a major corporation's WiFi to make the connection and assumed that I was using a work laptop to connect to a home computer.

    Is my theory correct, any usage of a corporate WiFi for making connections will be deemed a commerical use?

    If so, I'm guessing I'm only allowed to non-business WiFi to make any remote connections. Is that right?

    I just want to understand the playing field and avoid violating any terms.

  • Steve-in-FL
    Steve-in-FL Posts: 27 ✭✭

    @steevet2000 wrote:
    I’m experiencing the same problem. I’ve used TV for years, using Same computer, iPad, & iPhone to assist my brother, obviously non- commercial use. I first received the commercial use message last year, filled out the form, & my acct was reset. Now, I’m getting the same warning, so I again filled out the form (2weeks ago), even listing my brothers 3 pc’s that I assist him with. Still have no response from TV...

    What you have to do is fill out the form for each ID you want unblocked. Each TV session you execute has two ends. Each end has an ID. You have to send in the form for each ID, not merely list the IDs on the same form as another ID. [And note that, if the other end is a commercial operation, or what TeanViewer considers a commercial use - like schools - then you will be blocked again.]

    That has worked for many people. For some, it has not. Some people get an additional request for a different form, swearing to private use. Twelve of my IDs were unblocked with the first form, the 13th ID needed the second form. YMMV.

     

     

     

  • I see this message was posted a year ago, promising improvements based on feedback.  Clearly, the improvements have failed miserably, as my computers are still getting flagged.

    I have one machine in particular that I frequently use to move data around.  It stays on 24/7, with an ethernet connection and no monitor plugged in.  I was controlling it with my MacBook Air from about 10 feet away, and got flagged for suspected commercial use.  It always says my session will be limited to 5 minutes, then times out after 60 seconds, if that.  After it times out, it's 20 minutes to a half hour before they'll let me reconnect.

    The second time this happened was while I was on my honeymoon in Florida.  I asked on the ticket I sent at that time about whitelisting my account somehow, to prevent recurring false positives.  They just quietly unflagged the unit and slunk away.

    This is the third time.  I've learned from my highly subpar experience with TeamViewer to install extra remote control apps for redundancy, so I can still access my unit whenever TeamViewer fails me.  I sent a ticket over the weekend, I believe.  They say they try to respond to tickets within 2-3 business days.  It's now Thursday, my computer is still flagged, and I have yet to hear back.

    Shoddy programming and shoddy service don't inspire a lot of trust.  If I were using my computers commercially, I certainly wouldn't come to TeamViewer; I would use something a little more dependable.

  • I'd like to start off by saying that I love TeamViewer.
    But...

    What is this?
    Why was me or my fiancee's computer flagged for Commercial use?
    Can you maybe add a trigger that doesn't run based off of the amount of connections we make to our multiple devices throughout our house?
    Because that is PROBABLY what happened. Flagging based on number of DEVICES and AMOUNT of connections.

    Because if this took into consideration how many devices were actually being connected to and what exactly was being done (in my case), this could easily be set up with a VPN and a Network Drive. In this exact instance, just the Network Drive which I could easily set up.

    This happened when I was transferring Addons for a video game to my computer. What is going on? When did TeamViewer become this restrictive on non-commercial purposes? In the ToS you guys have, I gave you permission to check what devices were being accessed, how frequently they were being accessed, and what the contents of the access was.

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