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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Can't get response from commercial-use form


@Bankfodder

You are the only person to have mentioned a directional issue. What I can suggest is that you test all pairs of your IDs. If you can connect from ABC in your home to DEF outside your home, you should be able to connect in the other direction. Try the combinations and see if there is always a single ID that seems to fail. For me, the single failing ID was consistent and no matter what other IDs I used in combination, the connection failed. When I got that one unblocked, each of my IDs worked with all of the others. If we can identify a directional issue, that would truly be a new bit of information.


Thanks for this reply – and the suggestions.

I just checked it again and I can confirm that I can teamviewer out to any machine using my PC but if I want to teamviewer into the PC then it is restricted.

It is restricted from a Samsung S9 phone
It is restricted from a Google Pixel C tablet

strangely though I just tried installing teamviewer on a Google Slate and using my own account I was able to teamviewer into my PC.

There is definitely a directional issue here. It's very strange. And clearly it's not consistent because using my own account on the Google Slate, I can teamviewer into the PC. On the other two devices, I get a commercial warning and about five minutes of use.

I find myself wondering how long it will be before they block access from the Google Slate – or even worse, block access in both directions.

 

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Posted by
Henagon

Got an email saying that my license was reset to free but still getting popup saying I'm using commercially

A couple of weeks ago, TeamViewer started giving me a popup stating that I am using the product commercially. I filled in the form and sent it in and received an email on 24 sept. stating:
Dear TeamViewer User,

Thank you for getting in touch with us. We are happy to inform you that your TeamViewer ID has been reset to “free”. After reviewing your request, we decided that your use case can be qualified as “personal”.

I've since been trying daily to log in and I'm still getting the commercial use popup window with login restrictions and faster timeouts. Is there something additional that I need to do to get my TeamViewer back to what it was before?

Thank you for any assistance you can provide.

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: TeamViewer thinks I’m using the software commercially!

Same thing here.  The "Commercial Use Suspected" form is BROKEN.  I wouldn't put it past the TeamViewer folks to have broken it intentionally.

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: How to unblock id suspected for commercial use


@tjhall1000 wrote:

honestly. while this issue has been happening.... i downloaded **Third Party Product** cuz i needed to watch my anime while not at home. cuz thats the only reason i use TV is to watch anime on my computer while im not home. 

[removed per Community Guidelines - Sales/Solicitation policy]

im sad i never knew about chromes version


What, you mean someone actually got the **Third Party Product** to work????   It's been BROKEN for the years I've tried to get it to work.

All this would be so much easier if I could get all the family members to switch to Linux.  All I need to do then is SSH into their systems.

 

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Posted by
Digon

Re: How to unblock id suspected for commercial use

i dont know what you mean by broken. it was just plug and play for me, installed on browser. installed on phone. logged in on both and BAM it was good to go. no issues. havent noticed a single thing wrong with it. its response time is amazing

if something if broken about it. then its user error and you did something wrong lol

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: How to unblock id suspected for commercial use

Considering I've tried it on multiple machines, multiple OS'es over a period of 2 or 3 years, and these being machines at different locations (different ISPs), I can only presume it's Google's standard brokenness that permeates their products from search on downwards.

I'd just use some VNC configuration if I were able to set up forwarding on everybody's routers (and I'd have to have some self-updating DDNS as well, so I would know what IP they were hanging out at).  Time to start looking at those possibilities again.

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Can't get response from commercial-use form


@Bankfodder wrote:

I just checked it again and I can confirm that I can teamviewer out to any machine using my PC but if I want to teamviewer into the PC then it is restricted.

strangely though I just tried installing teamviewer on a Google Slate and using my own account I was able to teamviewer into my PC.

There is definitely a directional issue here. It's very strange. And clearly it's not consistent because using my own account on the Google Slate, I can teamviewer into the PC. On the other two devices, I get a commercial warning and about five minutes of use.


So, let me ask a question, because something you are saying is striking me. You say when you use "my own account" you can successfully TeamViewer into your PC. When you are not using your own account, what are you using? There may be a commercial connection of some sort to those other IDs. Or... perhaps doing a TeamViewer session between two different accounts is inspected some other way. Maybe a private TV account outbound is OK, but a non-private (for whatever reason) account inbound is not OK. Just throwing things out there for consideration. It would be an interesting test if you used your account on one of the machines that is failing going into your home PC. 

All of my experience is using my one (and only) TeamViewer account for all the instances of TeamViewer that I have installed, both on my personal machines at home and on the machines of friends and family.

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Can't get response from commercial-use form

Well, so as of a month ago, I got the dreaded "commercial use detected" message, and my account was disabled. Ptoooee.

As of two weeks ago, I downloaded their "Declaration of Private Use" form, in which I assured them that I was ONLY going to use my TeamViewer for private use, and sent it in. Didn't hear anything. Just today, two weeks later, I decided, on a lark, to try it. All capabilities are restored. So they accepted my "Declaration of Private Use" form, restored my service, and didn't tell me. Thanks, TeamViewer! So if you send in that form, don't expect an answer.

In the meantime, I've set up alternative applications (which they won't let me quote here), so I consider TeamViewer now to be sort of a sidelight. Yawn.

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Not applicable

Re: Can't get response from commercial-use form

Thanks for the information! I honestly didn't expect any better from Teamviewer, they seem to have horrendeous support. Which alternatives are you using? Teamviewer is no longer reliable.

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Can't get response from commercial-use form

Unfortunately, the moderators of this forum do not allow anyone to call out TeamViewer alternatives. Just Google "TeamViewer alternatives" and you'll come up with a lot that are free. (Gosh, I hope I'm allowed to say that!) Most are functionally equivalent to TV in screen sharing, though TV is somewhat more capable in file sharing, and has a more robust user interface.

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Can't get response from commercial-use form


@Steve-in-FL wrote:

@Bankfodder wrote:

I just checked it again and I can confirm that I can teamviewer out to any machine using my PC but if I want to teamviewer into the PC then it is restricted.

strangely though I just tried installing teamviewer on a Google Slate and using my own account I was able to teamviewer into my PC.

There is definitely a directional issue here. It's very strange. And clearly it's not consistent because using my own account on the Google Slate, I can teamviewer into the PC. On the other two devices, I get a commercial warning and about five minutes of use.


So, let me ask a question, because something you are saying is striking me. You say when you use "my own account" you can successfully TeamViewer into your PC. When you are not using your own account, what are you using? There may be a commercial connection of some sort to those other IDs. Or... perhaps doing a TeamViewer session between two different accounts is inspected some other way. Maybe a private TV account outbound is OK, but a non-private (for whatever reason) account inbound is not OK. Just throwing things out there for consideration. It would be an interesting test if you used your account on one of the machines that is failing going into your home PC. 

All of my experience is using my one (and only) TeamViewer account for all the instances of TeamViewer that I have installed, both on my personal machines at home and on the machines of friends and family.


I only use one account. I use the same account for all my devices and that brings me to another puzzle. In the past, I have been blocked (each way) on some devices and not others. I've always thought that it was a bit strange that the teamviewer system which they have put in place to detect commercial use seems only to base its decision upon device serial numbers and not the user account.
I find this very strange because it means that somebody who is using teamviewer commercially might actually escape being blocked by using on different devices.

 

By the way, the couple of years ago I did open a second account to see if that was able to bypass the blocking but of course because the blocking appears to be based upon the device serial number, the device remained blocked. I have since cancelled that account.

I don't really see any point in playing fast and loose with teamviewer. It's their software and there are entitled to run it as they wish. I'm very grateful to have some free access to it but I wish they would sort their systems out.

They could give:
better support
better communication
Better response times
transparency
generally, a better system which takes into account people's accounts as well as device numbers

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Posted by
Digon

Re: Looks like Teamviewer no longer cares!

INTERNAL SCREAMING!

I have no idea how to convey this to anyone since the DICTATORS! are changing my response.... IT'S CALLED FREE SPEECH! IF YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT OTHER PRODUCTS THEN FIX YOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AM I SCREAMING LOUD ENOUGH FOR YOU TEAMVIEWER!!!!!

If your like me and don't want to use this stupid product anymore then you will have to do a google search for another remote access tool. [removed per Community Guidelines]

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Looks like Teamviewer no longer cares!

@User333717 

Calm down.  I know it is frustrating, but like or not, you have to follow the rules.  Don't turn this into a war on TV.  They are a private company offering professional services for free to personal users.  

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Looks like Teamviewer no longer cares!

I agree. TeamViewer is offering users value as a free service. That being said, the value is minimized if users have to jump through hoops to use it. Years ago, TeamViewer used to be the definitive free app for controlling remote machines. Not so anymore.

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Can't get response from commercial-use form


@DanLester wrote:

Most are functionally equivalent to TV in screen sharing, though TV is somewhat more capable in file sharing, and has a more robust user interface.


Sometimes that's all you need anyway.  I know for my purposes I just need to connect to a family member's machine to troubleshoot something (or to a machine in the other room I'm doing a test installation on).  I don't need to chat through the application, I don't need to conference in other people, and can in some cases use WinSCP to do file transfers to/from my home machine.  Biggest issue comes about from knowing the remote machine's address, and tunneling through without having to open more holes in a firewall/router.

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Posted by
Henagon

False positive on commercial use

Hello

I have a problem with my Teamviewer account: I´m being kicked out of the system claiming to be using the program commercialy. That is not true, I´m using Teamviewer for personal use only, devices connected are:

My laptop.
My wife grandfather´s laptop.
My grandfathers laptop.

I am using Teamviewer to help our grandparents with their computer questions.

Can you convert my account back to normal state as I am unable to provide any assistance to them while being kicked out?

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Posted by
Digon

Re: How long does it take to answer a ticket

I submitted the form requesting them to analyze my usage, to prove it wasn't being used commercially months ago. Never even a reply. They don't care. Use another product. I gave up.

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Posted by
Electron

Re: I have the Free Personal Version but its requiring payment

I'm not using it for commercial use but I have a message requiring I pay to get the commercial version. How can I fix this. I only use it with family and friends. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling. Or how can I find out who I connected with that has a commercial version so I know. IMG_5846.JPG

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: I have the Free Personal Version but its requiring payment

I'm afraid that there's nothing you can do except to contact teamviewer using their special "commercial use suspected form" and to make your case. Customer support seems to be very patchy and the approach to suspected commercial use doesn't seem to follow any particular pattern or logic that people can understand.

If you get unblocked then it's great.

I've never seen a message quite like that one. It's normally more cautious and says that the commercial uses suspected and doesn't talk about your team your partner. This message is new to me

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Trigon

Re: False positive on commercial use

@rkotkas

Go to the very first post in this thread to find all the info you need to get this resolved. Nothing can be resolved by asking here. (Note that some people have successfully gotten the problem fixed, others have not,)

Here is a direct link to the form:

https://www.teamviewer.com/en/support/commercial-use-suspected/

 

 

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Digon

Re: False positive on commercial use

Thanks, but that's the form I used twice months ago.  No replys.  I'm getting friends and family to use **Third Party Product** even though it's more trouble to do remote restarts.

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Looks like Teamviewer no longer cares!

@DanLester 

I agree, Dan, but I think what is going on right at this moment is a bump in the road, not a permanent problem.   It is going to take some time for TV to get all this sorted out, but I think their ultimate goal is to continue to offer this service for free for private use.  TV has tens of millions of private users and devising a system to monitor all of them for commercial use without getting a few false positives, is extremely difficult and will take a lot of refining to fine-tune.  

I went through the same thing in 2017 with Youtube's ADpocalypse. Overnight virtually ALL content was deemed as "Not AD friendly".  It took months for it to get better and really is only now starting to smooth out. 

The same thing happened when Google shut down Panoramio and deleted billions of Geolocated photos from Google Maps. It took years for them to get that mess straightened out. Speculations ran rampant about why they did it and whether or not they were lying about fixing it. I can give you a link to the 100-mile long thread I participated in on that. 

I said it once, and I will say it again.

"You can catch more flies with honey than with poison." 

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Posted by
Henagon

Re: Remote connection disconnects after 5 minutes

Hello!

Teamviewer-host v14 - not working software.
TeamVIEWER team - test Teamviewer-host v14 with juussi raspberry pi3 !!! After a reboot, he cannot find an Internet connection, but there is a connection with the Internet for other programs!
A terrible version of the product over the past seven years, return to v13 !!!!

The time limit of 5 minutes is just a mockery !!! teamviewer takes 2 minutes to connect !!!

Greed will not bring to good!

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Posted by
Digon

Re: Looks like Teamviewer no longer cares!

Then how about a simple automated response even? Maybe “We’re sorry for the inconvenience, and we’ll get back to you once we’ve determined you’re not a crook.” I never even got a conformation that the form was received. Nothing. Totally ignored. Not even “We won’t talk to you without money up front.”  Honey (one way) doesn’t last forever. There are other free products that are almost as good, and even better in some ways. One with initials that rhyme with “Are You”.

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Looks like Teamviewer no longer cares!

I still say, TV could make some $$ if they offered it to us hobbiests at a small fee, and hopefully recover some of their expense of labor to help people with issues. Does that make any sense?

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Posted by
Digon

Re: Looks like Teamviewer no longer cares!

I would pay it, but I suspect my 5 to 10 friends and family, who need the help, wouldn't wouldn't spring for anything.

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Posted by
Henagon

Re: Incorrect detection of usage

I’m experiencing the same problem. I’ve used TV for years, using Same computer, iPad, & iPhone to assist my brother, obviously non- commercial use. I first received the commercial use message last year, filled out the form, & my acct was reset. Now, I’m getting the same warning, so I again filled out the form (2weeks ago), even listing my brothers 3 pc’s that I assist him with. Still have no response from TV; sent email last week, but still nothing. Not sure what their issue is, so I deleted the app from iPhone & iPad - still no joy. I wondered if a vpn could cause this, but I never use von with TV. I’m Totally in dark as to what I should do, especially frustrating as my brother keeps asking me for help, & I can only log onto his pc for about 1 minute. Anyone know why TV won’t answer my form submitted 2 weeks ago (up to 7 days was supposed to be the wait period). Very frustrating. Wish I could upgrade, but I could never afford the commercial rate, just to help my brothers family.
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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Incorrect detection of usage - pricing

Yes, it is extremely frustrating.

One really bizarre thing is that they sell licenses to use the software at a commercial rate which is really out of reach of any ordinary individuals.

I don't make any money out of it but I would be happy to pay a small annual subscription – but it seems that that is not possible.

The leap from £0.0 for private non-commercial use to a basic commercial licence is enormous.
I suppose they must have their reasons but it all seems a bit crazy to me – and many other people

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Henagon

Re: Free License Limitation

Please a link to where exactly is your lasy post?

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Posted by
Henagon

Commercial Use Detected - Due to Corporate WiFI?

All of sudden I began getting "Commercial Use Detected" message while I was using Team Viewer. Since I haven't been using TeamViewer all that much over the past couple of months, I have a theory.

Although I was using my personal laptop, I'm guessing that TeamViewer detected my usage of a major corporation's WiFi to make the connection and assumed that I was using a work laptop to connect to a home computer.

Is my theory correct, any usage of a corporate WiFi for making connections will be deemed a commerical use?

If so, I'm guessing I'm only allowed to non-business WiFi to make any remote connections. Is that right?

I just want to understand the playing field and avoid violating any terms.

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Trigon

Re: Incorrect detection of usage


@steevet2000 wrote:
I’m experiencing the same problem. I’ve used TV for years, using Same computer, iPad, & iPhone to assist my brother, obviously non- commercial use. I first received the commercial use message last year, filled out the form, & my acct was reset. Now, I’m getting the same warning, so I again filled out the form (2weeks ago), even listing my brothers 3 pc’s that I assist him with. Still have no response from TV...

What you have to do is fill out the form for each ID you want unblocked. Each TV session you execute has two ends. Each end has an ID. You have to send in the form for each ID, not merely list the IDs on the same form as another ID. [And note that, if the other end is a commercial operation, or what TeanViewer considers a commercial use - like schools - then you will be blocked again.]

That has worked for many people. For some, it has not. Some people get an additional request for a different form, swearing to private use. Twelve of my IDs were unblocked with the first form, the 13th ID needed the second form. YMMV.

 

 

 

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Posted by
Henagon

Re: "Suspicion of Commercial Use" algorithm: how does it work?

I see this message was posted a year ago, promising improvements based on feedback.  Clearly, the improvements have failed miserably, as my computers are still getting flagged.

I have one machine in particular that I frequently use to move data around.  It stays on 24/7, with an ethernet connection and no monitor plugged in.  I was controlling it with my MacBook Air from about 10 feet away, and got flagged for suspected commercial use.  It always says my session will be limited to 5 minutes, then times out after 60 seconds, if that.  After it times out, it's 20 minutes to a half hour before they'll let me reconnect.

The second time this happened was while I was on my honeymoon in Florida.  I asked on the ticket I sent at that time about whitelisting my account somehow, to prevent recurring false positives.  They just quietly unflagged the unit and slunk away.

This is the third time.  I've learned from my highly subpar experience with TeamViewer to install extra remote control apps for redundancy, so I can still access my unit whenever TeamViewer fails me.  I sent a ticket over the weekend, I believe.  They say they try to respond to tickets within 2-3 business days.  It's now Thursday, my computer is still flagged, and I have yet to hear back.

Shoddy programming and shoddy service don't inspire a lot of trust.  If I were using my computers commercially, I certainly wouldn't come to TeamViewer; I would use something a little more dependable.

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Henagon

Incorrect Flagging: COMMERCIAL USE DETECTED

I'd like to start off by saying that I love TeamViewer.
But...

What is this?
Why was me or my fiancee's computer flagged for Commercial use?
Can you maybe add a trigger that doesn't run based off of the amount of connections we make to our multiple devices throughout our house?
Because that is PROBABLY what happened. Flagging based on number of DEVICES and AMOUNT of connections.

Because if this took into consideration how many devices were actually being connected to and what exactly was being done (in my case), this could easily be set up with a VPN and a Network Drive. In this exact instance, just the Network Drive which I could easily set up.

This happened when I was transferring Addons for a video game to my computer. What is going on? When did TeamViewer become this restrictive on non-commercial purposes? In the ToS you guys have, I gave you permission to check what devices were being accessed, how frequently they were being accessed, and what the contents of the access was.

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Posted by
Neutron

Re: Remote connection disconnects after 5 minutes

Oct 10, 2019 

I have only used the FREE VERSION to work on my parents computers as they don't know tech. Today I tried to help my Dad with his Facebook but could not get in.  Tells me that ONE OF US has a Commerical Version and we are limited and must upgrade or use the Free Version. 

We ARE using the FREE VERSION.....   everytime I try to get in it bumps me off.   I installed a VPN on our computers and noticed that the VPN had to be turned off for me even to attempt to connect.     My Uncle tried to connect to my Dad's computer and was able to get in with no problem.... However MY computer is being LOCKED OUT...   

Help I am my only TECH for my parents ..... I finally taught them how to use the computers I bought them but now I can't get in and help them remotely and I LOVE team viewer...  

Some please UNLOCK ME....   LadyKym.... 

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Remote connection disconnects after 5 minutes

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Hi, try login on, click on first Icon and login with your email and password. Maybe you are logoff.

Apologize my bad english.

 

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Posted by
Henagon

Commercial Use Suspected - Can't Fill Form

I got a false commercial use detection.  When I went to fill out the form to appeal the flag - https://www.teamviewer.com/en/support/commercial-use-suspected/ - I am unable to fill the required Affected TeamViewer ID field.  When I click on the field, it fills with dashes and does not permit me to type anything in it; when I click back out of the field, it empties again.

I have duplicated this behavior on multiple computers and multiple browsers.

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Posted by
Henagon

Re: How to unblock id suspected for commercial use

This just happened to me.  I've been using TeamViewer to access my home computer whenever I need to for over a decade.  Now, they've blocked me.  I called them, to figure out why, and they told me that "Personal Use" means you can only connect from a home network to a home network.  Since I was remoting into my home computer from work (even though it was only for personal use), that is considered a violation of the Personal Use license.

She told me to find a different solution.  This is so annoying.  Especially since I've been such a long-time user, and I'm only using it for personal use.  They need to change how they decide personal use.  I can't justify spending $50 a month to be able to remote into my computer a couple times a month.  This is making me so mad.

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Trigon

Re: How to unblock id suspected for commercial use

@rfh1987 

I travel a lot and need to access my home computer on extremely rare occasions as well, but 99% of the time, if it is for personal use, I can do it on my smartphone.  There are very few things I can not accomplish on my smartphone that I need to access my home computer for.  Since you said that you only need to use TV to access your home computer a couple of times a month, maybe I can help you find a better way to do this on your smartphone, then having to access your home computer.  Tell me what you need to do and I will see if I can help you. 

 

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Posted by
Henagon

Re: How to unblock id suspected for commercial use

@Johnhoward28 I do occasionally use the phone, but the computer is much easier to use, if there's another option.  I'm looking into setting up home VPN with my router or **third party product**, both of which will let me use the computer with much more ease than depending on the phone.

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Trigon

Re: How to unblock id suspected for commercial use

@rfh1987 

Okay.  Well, if you are not using TV to access work-related content on your home PC from work, then I would call back in and explain to them what type of non-work-related content you are accessing on your home PC from work.  First level CS agents are generally just people that are trained to read a screen and push buttons, they generally have very little true technical knowledge about how things actually work.  I would try again with a different agent or ask to talk to a 2nd level support agent. 

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Commercial Use Suspected - Can't Fill Form

I went to the link you provided and it allows me to fill in the field (although it does initially fill with underscores). However, if I am using the number pad on the right of my keyboard and IF I DO NOT HAVE NUMLOC TURNED ON it will not enter any numbers. So check if you have NUMLOC turned on. Another test is to use the numbers above the QUERTY row on the keyboard. They are independent from the keypad and the NUMLOC setting.

If it's not that, I don't know what else to suggest.


@JSeddon wrote:

When I went to fill out the form to appeal the flag - https://www.teamviewer.com/en/support/commercial-use-suspected/ - I am unable to fill the required Affected TeamViewer ID field.  When I click on the field, it fills with dashes and does not permit me to type anything in it; when I click back out of the field, it empties again.

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Posted by
Henagon

ID reset to free, trial expired

When I was setting up my new PC I mistakenly selected the "both" option when prompted about commericial usage. I have requested my ID be reset to free twice and both times I have received an email confirming it has been set to free usage. The first time after it was reset, the trial was still showing as expired. After searching this community, some suggested submitting the form again and making sure the ID is correct. I did so and it is still showing as trial expired.

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Posted by
Henagon

Re: Problem account

I have the same issue. I am using teamview between my desktop and cellphone, however, it says that I need a commercial version. But I use teamview as private or personal use between desktop and cellphone. How do you solve this issue? Thanks

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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Problem account

Let me put this all in one place. If your TeamViewer account was blocked because they think you're doing commercial activity, and you're not, you can plead innocence with this form here.

http://cdn01.teamviewer.com/teamviewer/pdf/TeamViewerDeclarationOfPrivateUse.pdf

You send it here.

form-service@teamviewer.com

DO NOT WAIT FOR A RESPONSE. They won't answer. After a while (days, maybe a week or two) your TV capabilities will be magically restored. I did this last month, and it worked. But if I were you, I'd look into any of the several free apps that do TV capabilities, but without the commercial access requirement.

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Posted by
Digon

Re: Prive use

Here is the Link to the FORM you must Submit...
https://www.teamviewer.com/en/support/commercial-use-suspected/

It took me a long time to find it,  I hope it might help someone else.
Takes a few days to a week, 
I just found the reply was in my Junk folder.
So there is a reply.

I seem to have to request a reset every 2 months.  
and as i only use it about once a week for 1 or 2 minutes at a time
Their AI detection algorithm must be very sensitive and flags the Use as suspicious.
Tonight I again got the commercial use Popup, and that it would shut down in 5 minutes.
5 minutes would have been long enough for me to check my Remote PC.
but It shut down in less than 30 seconds.


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Posted by
Trigon

Re: Prive use

The commerical appeal form is useless. I applied in June, and it's now October. No reply.

My client was frustrated with Team Viewer, and I expressed how poor my experience with them had been too; and guess what? They cancelled TeamViewer! Word spreads.

[removed per Community Guidelines]

TeamViewer isn't priced for personal/home usage, no where near it.

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Trigon

Re: Looks like Teamviewer no longer cares!

@Johnhoward28 You're fully aware of how badly TeamViewer is treating legitimate free users and yet somehow you never seem to get tired of making excuses for TeamViewer.

How many years did you say we need to wait for them to change? Oh ok then... I guess we should just quietly wait and compliment them on their product (honey) instead of pointing out their terrible behavior (vinegar). I'm sure *that* will accomplish a lot.

Just how much are they paying you to do their Public Relations?  Was this excuse PR campaign "They're really good people who happen to be incompetent with free users" your own idea that you pitched to them?  ;) lol

 

Kse Dyna --
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Trigon

Re: Prive use

@xbee2 

That is a good testimonial.  TV needs to hear more of these.  One bad decision can mean the ruin of a company in today's world, where everyone has a voice and can make it heard.  Bad PR is really bad for business.  TV is obviously afraid of competition because they aggressively delete any reference to alternates to TV, so they are LISTENING.  The more they hear about people actively encouraging people to go elsewhere, this will hopefully encourage them to take a greater interest in improving their system to weed out cheaters and not punishing legitimate personal users.

This, of course, is assuming that TV still even wants to offer free service to personal users.  A lot of services like TV, started out offering free service to build their brand on the backs of free users, and then, once they had a firm standing in the industry, they switched to a Pro only model. I used **Third Party Product** before I switched to TV.  They went Pro Only after they had enough exposure and are still around today, and doing quite well. 

So, it is a gamble what TV will do if they get enough bad press from free users.  They may try to improve their cheater detection system, or they may decide they do not need free user promotion anymore and go Pro only like **Third Party Product** did.

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Trigon

Re: Looks like Teamviewer no longer cares!

@Technut 

Nowhere have I promoted anything.  What I have done is tried to add balance and reason to the conversation.  I don't mean to sound mean, but I have no love for whiny little entitled millennials who think they should get everything for free in life and show no appreciation for the blessings they have.

I am a realist.  Here is a little reality 101 for you.

1. Teamviewer is a private For-Profit corporation that is in business to make money, NOT give you free stuff.

2. If you have received FREE service from TV you should be GRATEFUL for what you have received

3. Since you are not PAYING for the service you have NO RIGHT to DEMAND ANYTHING from TV.

4. TV has the RIGHT to deny service to you for any reason they want to.  You have no RIGHTS. Zero, Zip Zilch, NADA!

5. If you want the RIGHT to complain about the service you are getting, then PONY up and pay for the Service.

6. Whining and complaining about how bad FREE service is, is illogical, unreasonable, ignorant, infantile, and immature.

Do you think that any PAID representative of TV would write the above words?  Not on your life!  You had better read them fast before they are deleted by the MOD for not being "Friendly".  But even if the mod deletes what I said, ever word is 100% the absolute truth.  Welcome to the REAL world.  

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Trigon

Re: Looks like Teamviewer no longer cares!


@Johnhoward28 wrote:

@Technut 

Nowhere have I promoted anything.  What I have done is tried to add balance and reason to the conversation.  I don't mean to sound mean, but I have no love for whiny little entitled millennials who think they should get everything for free in life and show no appreciation for the blessings they have.

I am a realist.  Here is a little reality 101 for you.

1. Teamviewer is a private For-Profit corporation that is in business to make money, NOT give you free stuff.

2. If you have received FREE service from TV you should be GRATEFUL for what you have received

3. Since you are not PAYING for the service you have NO RIGHT to DEMAND ANYTHING from TV.

4. TV has the RIGHT to deny service to you for any reason they want to.  You have no RIGHTS. Zero, Zip Zilch, NADA!

5. If you want the RIGHT to complain about the service you are getting, then PONY up and pay for the Service.

6. Whining and complaining about how bad FREE service is, is illogical, unreasonable, ignorant, infantile, and immature.

Do you think that any PAID representative of TV would write the above words?  Not on your life!  You had better read them fast before they are deleted by the MOD for not being "Friendly".  But even if the mod deletes what I said, ever word is 100% the absolute truth.  Welcome to the REAL world.  


I'm afraid that what is being said here is indisputably correct