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  • All of sudden I began getting "Commercial Use Detected" message while I was using Team Viewer. Since I haven't been using TeamViewer all that much over the past couple of months, I have a theory.

    Although I was using my personal laptop, I'm guessing that TeamViewer detected my usage of a major corporation's WiFi to make the connection and assumed that I was using a work laptop to connect to a home computer.

    Is my theory correct, any usage of a corporate WiFi for making connections will be deemed a commerical use?

    If so, I'm guessing I'm only allowed to non-business WiFi to make any remote connections. Is that right?

    I just want to understand the playing field and avoid violating any terms.

  • Steve-in-FL
    Steve-in-FL Posts: 27 ✭✭

    @steevet2000 wrote:
    I’m experiencing the same problem. I’ve used TV for years, using Same computer, iPad, & iPhone to assist my brother, obviously non- commercial use. I first received the commercial use message last year, filled out the form, & my acct was reset. Now, I’m getting the same warning, so I again filled out the form (2weeks ago), even listing my brothers 3 pc’s that I assist him with. Still have no response from TV...

    What you have to do is fill out the form for each ID you want unblocked. Each TV session you execute has two ends. Each end has an ID. You have to send in the form for each ID, not merely list the IDs on the same form as another ID. [And note that, if the other end is a commercial operation, or what TeanViewer considers a commercial use - like schools - then you will be blocked again.]

    That has worked for many people. For some, it has not. Some people get an additional request for a different form, swearing to private use. Twelve of my IDs were unblocked with the first form, the 13th ID needed the second form. YMMV.

     

     

     

  • I see this message was posted a year ago, promising improvements based on feedback.  Clearly, the improvements have failed miserably, as my computers are still getting flagged.

    I have one machine in particular that I frequently use to move data around.  It stays on 24/7, with an ethernet connection and no monitor plugged in.  I was controlling it with my MacBook Air from about 10 feet away, and got flagged for suspected commercial use.  It always says my session will be limited to 5 minutes, then times out after 60 seconds, if that.  After it times out, it's 20 minutes to a half hour before they'll let me reconnect.

    The second time this happened was while I was on my honeymoon in Florida.  I asked on the ticket I sent at that time about whitelisting my account somehow, to prevent recurring false positives.  They just quietly unflagged the unit and slunk away.

    This is the third time.  I've learned from my highly subpar experience with TeamViewer to install extra remote control apps for redundancy, so I can still access my unit whenever TeamViewer fails me.  I sent a ticket over the weekend, I believe.  They say they try to respond to tickets within 2-3 business days.  It's now Thursday, my computer is still flagged, and I have yet to hear back.

    Shoddy programming and shoddy service don't inspire a lot of trust.  If I were using my computers commercially, I certainly wouldn't come to TeamViewer; I would use something a little more dependable.

  • I'd like to start off by saying that I love TeamViewer.
    But...

    What is this?
    Why was me or my fiancee's computer flagged for Commercial use?
    Can you maybe add a trigger that doesn't run based off of the amount of connections we make to our multiple devices throughout our house?
    Because that is PROBABLY what happened. Flagging based on number of DEVICES and AMOUNT of connections.

    Because if this took into consideration how many devices were actually being connected to and what exactly was being done (in my case), this could easily be set up with a VPN and a Network Drive. In this exact instance, just the Network Drive which I could easily set up.

    This happened when I was transferring Addons for a video game to my computer. What is going on? When did TeamViewer become this restrictive on non-commercial purposes? In the ToS you guys have, I gave you permission to check what devices were being accessed, how frequently they were being accessed, and what the contents of the access was.

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  • Kym
    Kym Posts: 1

    Oct 10, 2019 

    I have only used the FREE VERSION to work on my parents computers as they don't know tech. Today I tried to help my Dad with his Facebook but could not get in.  Tells me that ONE OF US has a Commerical Version and we are limited and must upgrade or use the Free Version. 

    We ARE using the FREE VERSION.....   everytime I try to get in it bumps me off.   I installed a VPN on our computers and noticed that the VPN had to be turned off for me even to attempt to connect.     My Uncle tried to connect to my Dad's computer and was able to get in with no problem.... However MY computer is being LOCKED OUT...   

    Help I am my only TECH for my parents ..... I finally taught them how to use the computers I bought them but now I can't get in and help them remotely and I LOVE team viewer...  

    Some please UNLOCK ME....   LadyKym.... 

  • GuruMBP
    GuruMBP Posts: 15

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    Hi, try login on, click on first Icon and login with your email and password. Maybe you are logoff.

    Apologize my bad english.

     

  • I got a false commercial use detection.  When I went to fill out the form to appeal the flag - https://www.teamviewer.com/en/support/commercial-use-suspected/ - I am unable to fill the required Affected TeamViewer ID field.  When I click on the field, it fills with dashes and does not permit me to type anything in it; when I click back out of the field, it empties again.

    I have duplicated this behavior on multiple computers and multiple browsers.

  • rfh1987
    rfh1987 Posts: 3 ✭✭

    This just happened to me.  I've been using TeamViewer to access my home computer whenever I need to for over a decade.  Now, they've blocked me.  I called them, to figure out why, and they told me that "Personal Use" means you can only connect from a home network to a home network.  Since I was remoting into my home computer from work (even though it was only for personal use), that is considered a violation of the Personal Use license.

    She told me to find a different solution.  This is so annoying.  Especially since I've been such a long-time user, and I'm only using it for personal use.  They need to change how they decide personal use.  I can't justify spending $50 a month to be able to remote into my computer a couple times a month.  This is making me so mad.

  • @rfh1987 

    I travel a lot and need to access my home computer on extremely rare occasions as well, but 99% of the time, if it is for personal use, I can do it on my smartphone.  There are very few things I can not accomplish on my smartphone that I need to access my home computer for.  Since you said that you only need to use TV to access your home computer a couple of times a month, maybe I can help you find a better way to do this on your smartphone, then having to access your home computer.  Tell me what you need to do and I will see if I can help you. 

     

  • rfh1987
    rfh1987 Posts: 3 ✭✭

    @Johnhoward28 I do occasionally use the phone, but the computer is much easier to use, if there's another option.  I'm looking into setting up home VPN with my router or **third party product**, both of which will let me use the computer with much more ease than depending on the phone.

  • @rfh1987 

    Okay.  Well, if you are not using TV to access work-related content on your home PC from work, then I would call back in and explain to them what type of non-work-related content you are accessing on your home PC from work.  First level CS agents are generally just people that are trained to read a screen and push buttons, they generally have very little true technical knowledge about how things actually work.  I would try again with a different agent or ask to talk to a 2nd level support agent. 

  • Steve-in-FL
    Steve-in-FL Posts: 27 ✭✭

    I went to the link you provided and it allows me to fill in the field (although it does initially fill with underscores). However, if I am using the number pad on the right of my keyboard and IF I DO NOT HAVE NUMLOC TURNED ON it will not enter any numbers. So check if you have NUMLOC turned on. Another test is to use the numbers above the QUERTY row on the keyboard. They are independent from the keypad and the NUMLOC setting.

    If it's not that, I don't know what else to suggest.


    @JSeddon wrote:

    When I went to fill out the form to appeal the flag - https://www.teamviewer.com/en/support/commercial-use-suspected/ - I am unable to fill the required Affected TeamViewer ID field.  When I click on the field, it fills with dashes and does not permit me to type anything in it; when I click back out of the field, it empties again.

  • When I was setting up my new PC I mistakenly selected the "both" option when prompted about commericial usage. I have requested my ID be reset to free twice and both times I have received an email confirming it has been set to free usage. The first time after it was reset, the trial was still showing as expired. After searching this community, some suggested submitting the form again and making sure the ID is correct. I did so and it is still showing as trial expired.

  • pcvang
    pcvang Posts: 1

    I have the same issue. I am using teamview between my desktop and cellphone, however, it says that I need a commercial version. But I use teamview as private or personal use between desktop and cellphone. How do you solve this issue? Thanks

  • DanLester
    DanLester Posts: 31 ✭✭

    Let me put this all in one place. If your TeamViewer account was blocked because they think you're doing commercial activity, and you're not, you can plead innocence with this form here.

    http://cdn01.teamviewer.com/teamviewer/pdf/TeamViewerDeclarationOfPrivateUse.pdf

    You send it here.

    [email protected]

    DO NOT WAIT FOR A RESPONSE. They won't answer. After a while (days, maybe a week or two) your TV capabilities will be magically restored. I did this last month, and it worked. But if I were you, I'd look into any of the several free apps that do TV capabilities, but without the commercial access requirement.

  • Here is the Link to the FORM you must Submit...
    https://www.teamviewer.com/en/support/commercial-use-suspected/

    It took me a long time to find it,  I hope it might help someone else.
    Takes a few days to a week, 
    I just found the reply was in my Junk folder.
    So there is a reply.

    I seem to have to request a reset every 2 months.  
    and as i only use it about once a week for 1 or 2 minutes at a time
    Their AI detection algorithm must be very sensitive and flags the Use as suspicious.
    Tonight I again got the commercial use Popup, and that it would shut down in 5 minutes.
    5 minutes would have been long enough for me to check my Remote PC.
    but It shut down in less than 30 seconds.


  • xbee2
    xbee2 Posts: 17

    The commerical appeal form is useless. I applied in June, and it's now October. No reply.

    My client was frustrated with Team Viewer, and I expressed how poor my experience with them had been too; and guess what? They cancelled TeamViewer! Word spreads.

    [removed per Community Guidelines]

    TeamViewer isn't priced for personal/home usage, no where near it.

  • Technut
    Technut Posts: 14

    @Johnhoward28 You're fully aware of how badly TeamViewer is treating legitimate free users and yet somehow you never seem to get tired of making excuses for TeamViewer.

    How many years did you say we need to wait for them to change? Oh ok then... I guess we should just quietly wait and compliment them on their product (honey) instead of pointing out their terrible behavior (vinegar). I'm sure *that* will accomplish a lot.

    Just how much are they paying you to do their Public Relations?  Was this excuse PR campaign "They're really good people who happen to be incompetent with free users" your own idea that you pitched to them?  ;) lol

     

    Kse Dyna --
  • @xbee2 

    That is a good testimonial.  TV needs to hear more of these.  One bad decision can mean the ruin of a company in today's world, where everyone has a voice and can make it heard.  Bad PR is really bad for business.  TV is obviously afraid of competition because they aggressively delete any reference to alternates to TV, so they are LISTENING.  The more they hear about people actively encouraging people to go elsewhere, this will hopefully encourage them to take a greater interest in improving their system to **bleep** out cheaters and not punishing legitimate personal users.

    This, of course, is assuming that TV still even wants to offer free service to personal users.  A lot of services like TV, started out offering free service to build their brand on the backs of free users, and then, once they had a firm standing in the industry, they switched to a Pro only model. I used **Third Party Product** before I switched to TV.  They went Pro Only after they had enough exposure and are still around today, and doing quite well. 

    So, it is a gamble what TV will do if they get enough bad press from free users.  They may try to improve their cheater detection system, or they may decide they do not need free user promotion anymore and go Pro only like **Third Party Product** did.

  • @Technut 

    Nowhere have I promoted anything.  What I have done is tried to add balance and reason to the conversation.  I don't mean to sound mean, but I have no love for whiny little entitled millennials who think they should get everything for free in life and show no appreciation for the blessings they have.

    I am a realist.  Here is a little reality 101 for you.

    1. Teamviewer is a private For-Profit corporation that is in business to make money, NOT give you free stuff.

    2. If you have received FREE service from TV you should be GRATEFUL for what you have received

    3. Since you are not PAYING for the service you have NO RIGHT to DEMAND ANYTHING from TV.

    4. TV has the RIGHT to deny service to you for any reason they want to.  You have no RIGHTS. Zero, Zip Zilch, NADA!

    5. If you want the RIGHT to complain about the service you are getting, then PONY up and pay for the Service.

    6. Whining and complaining about how bad FREE service is, is illogical, unreasonable, ignorant, infantile, and immature.

    Do you think that any PAID representative of TV would write the above words?  Not on your life!  You had better read them fast before they are deleted by the MOD for not being "Friendly".  But even if the mod deletes what I said, ever word is 100% the absolute truth.  Welcome to the REAL world.  


  • @Johnhoward28 wrote:

    @Technut 

    Nowhere have I promoted anything.  What I have done is tried to add balance and reason to the conversation.  I don't mean to sound mean, but I have no love for whiny little entitled millennials who think they should get everything for free in life and show no appreciation for the blessings they have.

    I am a realist.  Here is a little reality 101 for you.

    1. Teamviewer is a private For-Profit corporation that is in business to make money, NOT give you free stuff.

    2. If you have received FREE service from TV you should be GRATEFUL for what you have received

    3. Since you are not PAYING for the service you have NO RIGHT to DEMAND ANYTHING from TV.

    4. TV has the RIGHT to deny service to you for any reason they want to.  You have no RIGHTS. Zero, Zip Zilch, NADA!

    5. If you want the RIGHT to complain about the service you are getting, then PONY up and pay for the Service.

    6. Whining and complaining about how bad FREE service is, is illogical, unreasonable, ignorant, infantile, and immature.

    Do you think that any PAID representative of TV would write the above words?  Not on your life!  You had better read them fast before they are deleted by the MOD for not being "Friendly".  But even if the mod deletes what I said, ever word is 100% the absolute truth.  Welcome to the REAL world.  


    I'm afraid that what is being said here is indisputably correct

  • rfh1987
    rfh1987 Posts: 3 ✭✭

    I'm afraid that what is being said here is indisputably correct


    That probably is all true, but there's a flip side...none of that is going to keep people using TeamViewer.  It's not worth the effort for people, when there are other solutions.  Maybe if TeamViewer was priced for personal use, but their only personal use price is free, and they lock it down beyond reason.  $50 a month is WAY TOO HIGH for personal use.  For that price, you can get all of below:

    • Office 365 for your whole family
    • Xbox Live Gold
    • Xbox Game Pass for Xbox
    • Xbox Game Pass for PC
    • Spotify Premium
    • Hulu
    • Netflix
    • Amazon Prime

    And if they switch to a paid model for personal use, why would anyone do it when there are free options?


  • @rfh1987 wrote:

    I'm afraid that what is being said here is indisputably correct


    That probably is all true, but there's a flip side...none of that is going to keep people using TeamViewer.  It's not worth the effort for people, when there are other solutions.  Maybe if TeamViewer was priced for personal use, but their only personal use price is free, and they lock it down beyond reason.  $50 a month is WAY TOO HIGH for personal use.  For that price, you can get all of below:

    • Office 365 for your whole family
    • Xbox Live Gold
    • Xbox Game Pass for Xbox
    • Xbox Game Pass for PC
    • Spotify Premium
    • Hulu
    • Netflix
    • Amazon Prime

    And if they switch to a paid model for personal use, why would anyone do it when there are free options?


    That is mostly true – except that teamviewer is extremely good and I'd be very pleased to pay a reasonable annual subscription that could fit in with my retirement pension.

    I think everybody is pretty surprised that they don't do a pricing plan for individual private users.

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    @Bankfodder wrote:

    @Johnhoward28 wrote:

    @Technut 

    Nowhere have I promoted anything.  What I have done is tried to add balance and reason to the conversation.  I don't mean to sound mean, but I have no love for whiny little entitled millennials who think they should get everything for free in life and show no appreciation for the blessings they have.

    I am a realist.  Here is a little reality 101 for you.

    1. Teamviewer is a private For-Profit corporation that is in business to make money, NOT give you free stuff.

    2. If you have received FREE service from TV you should be GRATEFUL for what you have received

    3. Since you are not PAYING for the service you have NO RIGHT to DEMAND ANYTHING from TV.

    4. TV has the RIGHT to deny service to you for any reason they want to.  You have no RIGHTS. Zero, Zip Zilch, NADA!

    5. If you want the RIGHT to complain about the service you are getting, then PONY up and pay for the Service.

    6. Whining and complaining about how bad FREE service is, is illogical, unreasonable, ignorant, infantile, and immature.

    Do you think that any PAID representative of TV would write the above words?  Not on your life!  You had better read them fast before they are deleted by the MOD for not being "Friendly".  But even if the mod deletes what I said, ever word is 100% the absolute truth.  Welcome to the REAL world.  


    I'm afraid that what is being said here is indisputably correct


    Yes. It is indeed correct. 

    I do think it's a little condesending to balme all of these complaints to "little entitled mellinials."

    Most people are not complaining about the action or policy itself. People are complaining that even thougha process to overturn the decision is in place, TV basically doesn't respond to most requests and never fixes the issue. 

    As with most people, the original poster decided to put the blame back on the user rather than the company that fails to respond. The real problem I have with this is the lack of any response from TV. If TV wants to say, "get over it dudes, we aren't doing anything about it", thank ok we move on. But they haven't. 

    As the original poster suggested, I moved on to other avenues. This is something the rest of you should do as well. 

  • gbtota
    gbtota Posts: 2

    TeamViwer has a stupid and inaccurate mechanisms for detection of commercial use. They basically look up your external IP to see if its in "residential" space. If you use VPN or have a business connection of any kind it will automatically think you use it for business. Its pretty idiotic way of detecting; and only creates user friction. [removed per Community Guidelines]

    This product will die since its not user friendly; they are hurting themselves by creating user problems or whats already a buggy product. 

  • I am being accused of commercial use and it is not so please hrlp me 

  • IgorZ
    IgorZ Posts: 5

    I wrote about the Teamviewer Host v14. He does not know how to find an Internet connection when it is for all other programs. And this is only for Teamviewer Host v14.bad TV.png

  • accidently installed on commercial ...how do I revert to personal use

  • Nizar
    Nizar Posts: 1

    Hi,

    I got flagged for using my account for commectial use. I need some clarification before i sign the Form they sent me so i do not get myself blocked. Forever.

    This is what i have in my TeamViewer account:

    Win10-A (My home machine)
    Win10-B (Brothers machine)
    Win10-C (Father)
    Win10-D (Plex/Media)
    Win10-E (Virtual machines host)
    Win2k12r2-F (Virtual machine)
    Win10-G (another brother work laptop)

    From what i understand is i have to remove the Win2k12r2 machine which is not a problem, its just a test VM i play with from time to time.

    Other machines should be fine too for the free version.

    My question is regarding Win10-G, it runs on one of my brother's work laptops in his office, he has a small company with 4 offices.
    The laptop is part of a domain.
    I do not work there and i am not providing paid support or anything for him, i just log in to his laptop whenever he has an issue or wants to show me something.

    So do I have to remove this Win10-G device?

    Also, if i remove the Win2k12r2 and Win10-G device, should i sign the form comfortably and be able to use the free license?

    Thank you in advance!

  • Steve-in-FL
    Steve-in-FL Posts: 27 ✭✭

    @Nizar wrote:

    Win10-A (My home machine)
    Win10-B (Brothers machine)
    Win10-C (Father)
    Win10-D (Plex/Media)
    Win10-E (Virtual machines host)
    Win2k12r2-F (Virtual machine)
    Win10-G (another brother work laptop)

    From what i understand is i have to remove the Win2k12r2 machine which is not a problem, its just a test VM i play with from time to time.

    My question is regarding Win10-G, it runs on one of my brother's work laptops in his office, he has a small company with 4 offices.
    The laptop is part of a domain.

    So do I have to remove this Win10-G device?

    Also, if i remove the Win2k12r2 and Win10-G device, should i sign the form comfortably and be able to use the free license?


    From all that I have been reading, and without reviewing all of the official documents, I would say that both of those machines have to be removed. It has been quoted by others that any machine used in a commercial environment (an office) is considered commercial, no matter its function. And servers are considered commercial.

    I don't agree that these rules are well thought out - they eliminate "friends and family" just because of where a machine happens to sit and they eliminate hobby computing (playing with servers or virtual machines) -  but they are the rules and we have to follow them to use a free product.

    I would sign the form and get on with life. If we are all wrong in our interpretations about the rules, you only risk being blocked. It's not the end of the world. Just my opinion.

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